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	<title>Comments on: Rubinius Retort</title>
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	<description>life and tech stuff by Evan Phoenix</description>
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		<title>By: zenunit sensei</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-10272</link>
		<dc:creator>zenunit sensei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 03:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that your comparison between c and ruby is based on lines of code, when we all know that ruby&#039;s lines of code do far more than c&#039;s lines of code.

In other words,
ary.map{&#124;a&#124; a.items.array_of_forefathers}.flatten.uniq

is far more powerful than c can hope to be in one line of code.

Perhaps you shouldn&#039;t be comparing this, but rather POTENTIAL lines of c code that the relevant ruby code would require if it were written in c?

I&#039;d wager it&#039;d be a darn sight more than the same number.

Zenunit Sensei</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that your comparison between c and ruby is based on lines of code, when we all know that ruby&#8217;s lines of code do far more than c&#8217;s lines of code.</p>
<p>In other words,<br />
ary.map{|a| a.items.array_of_forefathers}.flatten.uniq</p>
<p>is far more powerful than c can hope to be in one line of code.</p>
<p>Perhaps you shouldn&#8217;t be comparing this, but rather POTENTIAL lines of c code that the relevant ruby code would require if it were written in c?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;d be a darn sight more than the same number.</p>
<p>Zenunit Sensei</p>
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		<title>By: mrfeinberg</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-10268</link>
		<dc:creator>mrfeinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an English major, I commend your use of the Anglo-Saxon idiom &quot;bald-faced&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an English major, I commend your use of the Anglo-Saxon idiom &#8220;bald-faced&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: evanphx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9995</link>
		<dc:creator>evanphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 05:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Oops!

I gotcha now. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Oops!</p>
<p>I gotcha now. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr eel</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr eel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we have some wires crossed Evan, I was being rude to a cheeky commenter &#039;nothanks&#039;, not yourself. 

That&#039;s what I get for being a bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we have some wires crossed Evan, I was being rude to a cheeky commenter &#8216;nothanks&#8217;, not yourself. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I get for being a bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: knowtheory</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9993</link>
		<dc:creator>knowtheory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evan, i think Mr. Eel was referring to the dude who posted as &quot;nothanks&quot;.  I take Mr. Eel&#039;s point to be that the hatin&#039; should stop, and that JRuby team has done good work pushing the Ruby world towards greener pastures than the 1.8 vm, since everyone is always criticizing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evan, i think Mr. Eel was referring to the dude who posted as &#8220;nothanks&#8221;.  I take Mr. Eel&#8217;s point to be that the hatin&#8217; should stop, and that JRuby team has done good work pushing the Ruby world towards greener pastures than the 1.8 vm, since everyone is always criticizing it!</p>
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		<title>By: evanphx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9992</link>
		<dc:creator>evanphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr eel: no need to name call. JRuby is doing a great job, when did I say they weren&#039;t.

I&#039;ve a big advocate of multiple Ruby implementations, it means that the community and ecosystem are healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr eel: no need to name call. JRuby is doing a great job, when did I say they weren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a big advocate of multiple Ruby implementations, it means that the community and ecosystem are healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr eel</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9991</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr eel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nothanks you snarky cow. The JRuby crew do good work and should be congratulated for it.

Bring on the implementations I say. The more the better. Pitfalls be damned, it&#039;s worth the risk if we can see Ruby move beyond the poor and oft-pummeled MRI 1.8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nothanks you snarky cow. The JRuby crew do good work and should be congratulated for it.</p>
<p>Bring on the implementations I say. The more the better. Pitfalls be damned, it&#8217;s worth the risk if we can see Ruby move beyond the poor and oft-pummeled MRI 1.8.</p>
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		<title>By: nothanks</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9987</link>
		<dc:creator>nothanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you think that VM or JRuby will be stick?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, Sun, er &quot;JAVA&quot; has hired itself 1-3 top-tier fanboys, so at least until it changes its ticker symbol to &quot;FAIL&quot; (1-3 years), you&#039;d better hope non-J Rubies survive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you think that VM or JRuby will be stick?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, Sun, er &#8220;JAVA&#8221; has hired itself 1-3 top-tier fanboys, so at least until it changes its ticker symbol to &#8220;FAIL&#8221; (1-3 years), you&#8217;d better hope non-J Rubies survive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Programming Quiz</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9986</link>
		<dc:creator>Programming Quiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rubinius is a noble attempt and I hope that logic is brewed out of the ruby in ruby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubinius is a noble attempt and I hope that logic is brewed out of the ruby in ruby.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Todd</title>
		<link>http://blog.fallingsnow.net/2008/04/28/rubinius-retort/#comment-9985</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard anywhere that Rubinius was better because it was &quot;Ruby in Ruby&quot;, or that it would be better than JRuby, even. Ever.

Truth be told, more often than not, myself and I&#039;m sure others would think it would perform worse simply for the fact that Ruby is slow, but this is flawed thinking to some degree.

I look forward to both (and others) improving a great deal over time. Keep your dicks in your pants and keep up the good work. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard anywhere that Rubinius was better because it was &#8220;Ruby in Ruby&#8221;, or that it would be better than JRuby, even. Ever.</p>
<p>Truth be told, more often than not, myself and I&#8217;m sure others would think it would perform worse simply for the fact that Ruby is slow, but this is flawed thinking to some degree.</p>
<p>I look forward to both (and others) improving a great deal over time. Keep your dicks in your pants and keep up the good work. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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